Question:
Why can't runaway Toyotas be turned off with the ignition key? And, what about the emergency brake? Useless?
carrlitto
2010-02-19 05:49:34 UTC
Why can't the transmission be shifted into neutral when uncontrolled speed is encountered?
Seven answers:
Michael
2010-02-19 06:39:34 UTC
Because most operators are not aware of how to control a runaway vehicle and are in a state of panic! Most people do not "think" when something like this happens, they have zero situational awareness!



I have been in this exact situation, as a passenger in a vehicle that was in a "stuck throttle" event. The person driving froze up at the wheel, not doing ANYTHING to stop the vehicle. With the car accelerating wildly toward a busy intersection and sensing what was wrong, I simply reached over and turned the key "Off" and the vehicle coasted to a stop, safely. Was I frightened? Yes! However, FEAR and PANIC are two completely different emotions! A person can be afraid and in complete control; a person who is in a state of panic IS NOT in control!



Yes, the driver could turn off the vehicle. However, when one does this, the driver would lose power steering and power brakes. This would create another "situation" for an already "situationally inept" driver. Most drivers do not realize how much power assist contributes to the operation of their vehicle and thus will believe that they "cannot" steer the vehicle because the effort is very high without the engine running. Another problem in turning the key "Off" is that the operator would need to be sure not to turn the key to the "lock" position and locking the steering mechanism, with obvious results.



Yes, the driver could put the car into Neutral, but again the driver needs to be aware enough to think of this AND be certain not to place the vehicle into "Park" or "Reverse", which could cause other issues!



Yes, an aware driver could pull the emergency brake. However, the emergency brake is fairly ineffective in these situations. Regardless, using the E-brake would again require that a driver THINK under pressure!



The common thread here is that a driver needs to be aware of what COULD happen AND be prepared to deal with the situation. There is only one way to be ready for this, that is practice. Silly as it may sound, a driver should take the time to learn how to use the controls of their vehicle in an emergency situation. I have taken my vehicles into empty parking lots and away from traffic and practiced these situations. I have actually drove across the parking lot and turned the engine OFF and drove the car to a stop. I did this just to see what happened! I have stopped the vehicle with the emergency brake, just to see that it works and how long the car takes to stop.



The problem is that most drivers are not capable of performing in emergency situations! American drivers are, for the most part completely unprepared for emergency driving. We do not teach drivers what to do in 99% of emergencies. No one tells new drivers that there are specific things that they can do to maintain control in these situation. Young drivers need to be taught that when the engine quits, that they will lose power steering and brakes BUT they can still steer and stop the vehicle. This is exactly why drivers do not need to be texting, eating, working on a computer or talking on a cell phone! This is also why drivers need to prepare for the unexpected! One thing that ALL drivers can do is to review the owners guide of their vehicle which contains a ton of great emergency information. This is boring and time consuming, but it might also save your life.
chris c
2010-02-19 06:07:24 UTC
The key can be shut off - though some of the cars dont have a key they have a push button on / off switch that hss to to be pushed and held for 3 seconds. Many drivers didn't know that it had to be pushed and held. The button works differently when the car is driving vs when the car is stopped and in park.



Emergency brakes are very weak. They are parking brakes meant to hold a car already stopped. Using them has little effect. Emergency / parking brakes apply pressure to the rear wheels only and most of the braking is in front.



If the car is already at speeds even the regular brakes get hot and 'fade' meaning they don't work well. Brakes will overcome engine force if the car is stopped and the engine races, but wont if the car is already doing 50 and is pushing to do 90.



The transmission can be shifted into neutral. When it is shifted to neutral the engine races very high. Some people thought that the engine would blow up so they shifted back into drive.



The best thing to do is to shift to neutral and shut off the engine.



What is impossible to predict is how someone would handle the issue when it comes. Sure we imagine the acceleration happens while we are on the freeway and we imagine going thru the steps to easily gain control of the car.



But if it happened in a mall parking lot with many pedestians - do you keep both hands on the wheel and avoid people and cars? How much time is there. It happened to a lady as she was leaving a car wash. Now how much room did she have to understand what was happening and stop the car. She had to avoid a pole and before she could react she was already into 4 lane road and t-boned a car.



I think it is all about how much room you have when it happens
David
2010-02-19 08:16:37 UTC
DO NOT TURN THE CAR OFF!!!



When you turn the car off you LOSE your power steering and power brakes!



This is an emergency situation, so all you have to rely on is your instinct. Push the transmission lever (shifter, whatever you want to call it) into neutral, your engine will rev extremely high but don't worry about it, the alternative is a collision, put BOTH feet on the brakes and guide the car off the road, THEN turn the car off.



With the car in neutral and the accelerator stuck, you will damage your engine, but that's better than being another statistic or number added to a death toll.



Some emergency brakes or "parking brakes" only lock the back brakes, so doing this will cause your car to start spinning. YiKEs! Did that one before. For fun, almost through me out the side window when the car started spinning.
cimra
2010-02-19 07:28:27 UTC
Chris c is correct on all point except the brake fade issue, in tests from highway speeds, throttle stuck wide open contributed as little as 15 feet to the braking distance of a car. (just saw a test on this.) in most of these stuck throttle cases people also report complete brake failure! What are the chances of a stuck throttle and a failure of a two independent hydraulic systems at the same time. In my opinion NONE. Most of these cases can be explained by panicked drivers having their foot firmly planted on the gas pedal, the rest may be panic as stated in other posts. Audi had this issue in early 90's and virtually every other manufacturer does as well, pedal design and position is likely a contributing factor.
2016-11-07 13:42:18 UTC
in case you positioned the motor vehicle in independent with the emergency brake on and the motor vehicle does no longer circulate in any respect you're probable ok yet while it does circulate in any respect have it regarded at. in case you didn'tchronic a protracted distance it would be ok.
?
2010-02-19 05:57:42 UTC
They can, and they can also brake, and turn the ignition off!! People are making too big a deal out of this if you ask me!
michael
2010-02-19 14:11:28 UTC
You should be able to put it in neutral anytime.


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